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anticipated, when women get education, access to birth control and some autonomy over their lives and bodies, the birth rate really falls off the cliff. in mexico it's amazing how quickly it's happened. >> and hispanic-americans, right? >> yes, in the u.s. as well. and then there's the question of climate. can we, if we keep putting carbon in the atmosphere, and we can only put a fifth of the carbon and hope to make temperatures which i harp on all the time -- >> two degrees celsius, there's a lot that we have to leave in the ground. christian, how do you think about how compatible our models of growth are with avoiding climate disaster? >> well, you know, the limits of growth had two areas. one is that they were running out of resources and running out of sinks. we have found more oil, we find more resources. they have been correct in terms of the earth capacity to absorb pollution. >> what does sink mean? >> a place to put the ability to absorb -- >> the ocean has absorbed enormous amounts of c02. they were right about the plilis of the earth's ability to absorb this. but there's a problem
to educate the american public that this math we're on in terms of spending is unsustainable. >> you say leadership and i hear anti-democratic betrayal. >> i'm serious. it's like one person's leadership is another person's bait and switch. right? >> potato/potatop. >> we know that the issue in terms of cost in this country is health care. we know that the medicare premiums, medicare expenditures in this country are not something that we can continue to sustain. there's a fix, everybody won't be happy with the fix but we could get to policy prescription that solves the problem. politics in and around that that makes it extremely difficult. >> you did some unpopular things when you were governor. you raised taxes and you got absolutely hammered for it. what's you're feeling about it? >> leadership entails the need for somebody to appreciate the fact that no answer is easy. there are no easy answers anymore. the willingness to compromise off of that is leader ship. when you have a group of people in the house on the house of representatives that represents the strange ones at the right end,
in your place of education, in your place where you send your 5, 6, 7-year-old children? is that the message, the sort of society that we want to be? or do we want to take self-defense before the moment of conflict? do we want to look at legislation? do we want to put policies in place that allow us to defend ourselves before we get to a point where we say, i wish that teacher had it. by the time we get to that point, it was too late. >> hailey, were your surprised by the press conference? >> i have been optimistic for the official statement all week, and i have to say i was very disappointed. i think that their statement was a pretty huge disservice to their membership and all, i know wonderful members of the nra who have fantastic expertise, are very smart, are very, could be wonderful resources in this. and i really think that statement did not reflect any sort of an engaging discourse and engaging in dialogue. i was shocked at how much of a monologue it was, actually. >> and there's this emerging idea, and i think it is an emerging idea that's a hopeful idea in liber
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